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]]> By: bas2110 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-593 bas2110 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:52:26 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-593 word up... wearegod word up… wearegod

]]> By: Stately, Plump http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-587 Stately, Plump Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:15:57 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-587 bravo! bravo!

]]> By: Once Again http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-586 Once Again Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:42:48 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-586 The idea that we are in essence defined by our external behavior seems to leave out a very important part of our existence as humans and that is our internal mental lives. While we all may not be able to directly experience anyone else's mental lives we have a built in intuition that other people are in fact experiencing the world in a way that is analogous to the way that we experience it. If all we are to the world is our external actions what then is the purpose of our personal experience other then to provide a means through which we communicate action. If this is the case we are no more then functionalist machines who follow complex set of physical instructions without intentionality or free will. This type of man fits very nicely into the idea that all we all are merely what we present to other people. But this is far from the truth. The fact is that people do have internal mental lives and these are what drive action in the real external world. This mental life also seems to be something that is inherently divorced from the physical realm (it does however arise from the physical but that does not mean that it is defined by its physical aspects). This is where humans can be seen to attain some level of godliness. The human mind is not limited by the present. Through our minds we have the ability to exert our control over the imaginable. The power of mind is what allows the humans to extend their reach beyond the external and reach for things that are holy. Things that are holy include the pursuit of science, art, harmonizing human interaction and so on. We are godly because we pursue that which is holy. We pursue that which is holy because we share the universe's need for self analysis. We are the universe analyzing itself and hence we are that which the universe essentially is. The idea that we are in essence defined by our external behavior seems to leave out a very important part of our existence as humans and that is our internal mental lives. While we all may not be able to directly experience anyone else’s mental lives we have a built in intuition that other people are in fact experiencing the world in a way that is analogous to the way that we experience it. If all we are to the world is our external actions what then is the purpose of our personal experience other then to provide a means through which we communicate action. If this is the case we are no more then functionalist machines who follow complex set of physical instructions without intentionality or free will. This type of man fits very nicely into the idea that all we all are merely what we present to other people. But this is far from the truth. The fact is that people do have internal mental lives and these are what drive action in the real external world. This mental life also seems to be something that is inherently divorced from the physical realm (it does however arise from the physical but that does not mean that it is defined by its physical aspects). This is where humans can be seen to attain some level of godliness. The human mind is not limited by the present. Through our minds we have the ability to exert our control over the imaginable. The power of mind is what allows the humans to extend their reach beyond the external and reach for things that are holy. Things that are holy include the pursuit of science, art, harmonizing human interaction and so on. We are godly because we pursue that which is holy. We pursue that which is holy because we share the universe’s need for self analysis. We are the universe analyzing itself and hence we are that which the universe essentially is.

]]> By: Prof. Snafu Halitosis http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-584 Prof. Snafu Halitosis Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:20:22 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-584 I would argue that we don't know the full extent of our powers and that we are slowly figuring them out. Everything that you see and experience, all takes place within your mind. You only see a sliver of what's really out there, if anything is really out there at all. And you have no idea what your body really is. So if everything you've ever seen, heard, and imagined exists within your mind, then who's really in control? Furthermore people have the power to imagine something and then make it exist in the world around them, that sounds like godly power to me. I would argue that we don’t know the full extent of our powers and that we are slowly figuring them out. Everything that you see and experience, all takes place within your mind. You only see a sliver of what’s really out there, if anything is really out there at all. And you have no idea what your body really is. So if everything you’ve ever seen, heard, and imagined exists within your mind, then who’s really in control? Furthermore people have the power to imagine something and then make it exist in the world around them, that sounds like godly power to me.

]]> By: Stately, Plump http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-583 Stately, Plump Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:54:09 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-583 I gotta give it up to you. You said all that very eloquently. I especially like your distinction between power over the present and power of the imaginable. Although I still like to think of myself as master of the universe, I take heed to your opinion. What do you think about the power to organize? If 2 or more people come together and decide they are gong to enact the power of God, do you think they have power over more than the present? Can the coming together of minds somehow expand the reach of our power to more than just the 'external'? I gotta give it up to you. You said all that very eloquently. I especially like your distinction between power over the present and power of the imaginable. Although I still like to think of myself as master of the universe, I take heed to your opinion.
What do you think about the power to organize? If 2 or more people come together and decide they are gong to enact the power of God, do you think they have power over more than the present? Can the coming together of minds somehow expand the reach of our power to more than just the ‘external’?

]]> By: above my limit http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-582 above my limit Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:20:32 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-582 maybe i strayed too far too quickly from the original post. but to ask a different question, are our actions one and the same with the actions of god? i think that it may have been overzealous to say that it is undeniable that our actions have the same power as gods (in post 2). the reason is that we have granted god the qualities only conceivable in imagination. god has these powers because we imagined god to have these powers. for ourselves, the future has these imaginable powers; you may one day have the power to inspire a generation, or have the power to see the future, or the power to lift the heaviest object. the point is that the future, hypothetically, holds infinite possibilities and powers. however, as you observe the future it becomes the present and as you observe the present the infinite becomes the finites; all of a sudden the possibilities and powers of the future become the realities of the present. so while you may claim to be the ruler of the universe in the future, and i may not contest that, as you exist in the present you are to the world what is observable. and what is observable? the external qualities of a person. and who observes those qualities? other people. this is only to say that the other people are the world, and your external qualities are your mediums of expression. these mediums of expression are our words, but most notably our actions. this is to say that what we are to the world is only external. relating this to our actions being the same as gods. i would contest that if we are to the world only what is observable, but god is what is imaginable, then our power is only over the present, where gods power is over the imaginable. we are not the same as god, and therefore our actions do not have the same power as gods. maybe i strayed too far too quickly from the original post. but to ask a different question, are our actions one and the same with the actions of god?

i think that it may have been overzealous to say that it is undeniable that our actions have the same power as gods (in post 2). the reason is that we have granted god the qualities only conceivable in imagination. god has these powers because we imagined god to have these powers. for ourselves, the future has these imaginable powers; you may one day have the power to inspire a generation, or have the power to see the future, or the power to lift the heaviest object. the point is that the future, hypothetically, holds infinite possibilities and powers. however, as you observe the future it becomes the present and as you observe the present the infinite becomes the finites; all of a sudden the possibilities and powers of the future become the realities of the present. so while you may claim to be the ruler of the universe in the future, and i may not contest that, as you exist in the present you are to the world what is observable.

and what is observable? the external qualities of a person. and who observes those qualities? other people. this is only to say that the other people are the world, and your external qualities are your mediums of expression. these mediums of expression are our words, but most notably our actions. this is to say that what we are to the world is only external.

relating this to our actions being the same as gods. i would contest that if we are to the world only what is observable, but god is what is imaginable, then our power is only over the present, where gods power is over the imaginable. we are not the same as god, and therefore our actions do not have the same power as gods.

]]> By: Snafu Halitosis http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-581 Snafu Halitosis Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:23:22 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-581 yes and no yes and no

]]> By: lazarus http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-580 lazarus Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:10:17 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-580 then what i am left with is a simple yes or no question. am i alone? then what i am left with is a simple yes or no question.

am i alone?

]]> By: Stately, Plump http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-579 Stately, Plump Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:54:58 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/21/power-of-god/#comment-579 You picked up on something that I was sort of trying to avoid. Whether we have freewill or our actions are guided by God's power(fate), like you say, what we do matters. Whether we have full control over our actions or not, it is undeniable that our actions have the same power as God's actions, since they are one in the same. As to your other point, whether we created God or just labeled him, it is not so important because from the moment we started talking about him he existed whether that moment created him or just labeled him. The point is that all we can guess about God was created in our heads. So when we talk about God's power, in a sense we are really talking about our own power. I think God has always existed, even before our label. When you look up at the sky, or out over the ocean, you get a feeling of the infinite, and I think that is what our label, God, is trying to capture. You picked up on something that I was sort of trying to avoid. Whether we have freewill or our actions are guided by God’s power(fate), like you say, what we do matters. Whether we have full control over our actions or not, it is undeniable that our actions have the same power as God’s actions, since they are one in the same.
As to your other point, whether we created God or just labeled him, it is not so important because from the moment we started talking about him he existed whether that moment created him or just labeled him. The point is that all we can guess about God was created in our heads. So when we talk about God’s power, in a sense we are really talking about our own power.
I think God has always existed, even before our label. When you look up at the sky, or out over the ocean, you get a feeling of the infinite, and I think that is what our label, God, is trying to capture.

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