Comments on: Thanatos http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/ grazing chaos, mental masturbation at its stickiest Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:17:47 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: okie http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-14122 okie Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:05:50 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-14122 Great words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm#Thought_as_a_System Great words:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm#Thought_as_a_System

]]> By: reg http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-559 reg Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:28:02 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-559 word. i guess i got a little defensive about my black hole. word.
i guess i got a little defensive about my black hole.

]]> By: awakened adminion http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-557 awakened adminion Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:33:40 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-557 I think I just wanted to tell you about the cool study I just learned about. it ended up being a long post, whoops! Hail Eris. I think I just wanted to tell you about the cool study I just learned about. it ended up being a long post, whoops! Hail Eris.

]]> By: reg http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-555 reg Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:20:17 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-555 well... I think you missed what I was talking about somewhat. I don't feel helpless, I feel the presence of something in my consciousness which seems to enjoy making myself feel shitty about various things. I do have control over it in that I can be aware of it when it occurs, and I've learned how to silence it with meditation, yoga, playing music, etc. I was more particularly interested in where that comes from, as I'm sure that it exists in all people to a certain degree. Also, my use of the word "voice" to describe this thing (that Freud called "Thanatos", or the destructive side) should not connote anything verbal about it. I experience it less as an actual stringing together of words and more as a total experience that is beyond description, like a forced confrontation with all that I am sickened by... It's a complicated thing. I'd sooner say that it is the manifestation within myself of some trickster deity than attribute the feelings to a learned helplessness. Still, I definitely know that in some situations (especially interpersonal ones) I do sometimes feel a helplessness when things aren't going my way. But I've learned to look beyond that... as have all of us. well… I think you missed what I was talking about somewhat. I don’t feel helpless, I feel the presence of something in my consciousness which seems to enjoy making myself feel shitty about various things. I do have control over it in that I can be aware of it when it occurs, and I’ve learned how to silence it with meditation, yoga, playing music, etc. I was more particularly interested in where that comes from, as I’m sure that it exists in all people to a certain degree.
Also, my use of the word “voice” to describe this thing (that Freud called “Thanatos”, or the destructive side) should not connote anything verbal about it. I experience it less as an actual stringing together of words and more as a total experience that is beyond description, like a forced confrontation with all that I am sickened by… It’s a complicated thing.

I’d sooner say that it is the manifestation within myself of some trickster deity than attribute the feelings to a learned helplessness. Still, I definitely know that in some situations (especially interpersonal ones) I do sometimes feel a helplessness when things aren’t going my way. But I’ve learned to look beyond that… as have all of us.

]]> By: Awakened Adminion http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-554 Awakened Adminion Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:56:25 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2006/03/01/thanatos/#comment-554 I recently read something about "learned helplessness". The example is best explained using dogs. two dogs are both put in hammocks and are subjected to a series of electrical shocks. One dog however can turn off the shocks by pressing a button with his nose while the other just must endure the same shocks without the control. After being subjected to this to a certain amount of time the two dogs are then placed in a room that has an electrified floor. The first dog who had control will run around and eventually learn to jump over a barrier to avoid the shocks. The second dog however who was subjected to the same exact shocks as the first dog (though without control over them) when placed in the room will have the same initial response as the first dog. However instead of finding the escape route to the other room the dog will choose to lie down and endure the shocks. He has learned to be "helpless". This can be applied to humans as well, when we are faced with things that are out of our control we adopt this same type of helpless attitude. "If nothing that i do has any effect in the world then why should I even try?" Perhaps to this could be the reason that your voice gets you down so much. Because it seems totally out of your control and hence there is no way for you to stop feeling like poop, as the worse you feel, the worse you feel about feeling worse and so on. I recently read something about “learned helplessness”. The example is best explained using dogs. two dogs are both put in hammocks and are subjected to a series of electrical shocks. One dog however can turn off the shocks by pressing a button with his nose while the other just must endure the same shocks without the control. After being subjected to this to a certain amount of time the two dogs are then placed in a room that has an electrified floor. The first dog who had control will run around and eventually learn to jump over a barrier to avoid the shocks. The second dog however who was subjected to the same exact shocks as the first dog (though without control over them) when placed in the room will have the same initial response as the first dog. However instead of finding the escape route to the other room the dog will choose to lie down and endure the shocks. He has learned to be “helpless”. This can be applied to humans as well, when we are faced with things that are out of our control we adopt this same type of helpless attitude. “If nothing that i do has any effect in the world then why should I even try?” Perhaps to this could be the reason that your voice gets you down so much. Because it seems totally out of your control and hence there is no way for you to stop feeling like poop, as the worse you feel, the worse you feel about feeling worse and so on.

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