Comments on: Fundamental Attribution Error http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/ grazing chaos, mental masturbation at its stickiest Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:32:30 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Stately, Plump http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-577 Stately, Plump Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:42:06 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-577 Nice work man. You put all very nicely. Our real work is moving past the stalemate. Let's do it. Nice work man. You put all very nicely.
Our real work is moving past the stalemate. Let’s do it.

]]> By: trapped in the mouth http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-576 trapped in the mouth Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:46:20 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-576 something these comments have made me think about is excusable actions. it seems that many people will make excuses to dismiss their actions. frat guys will say they were really drunk, germans circa 1940's will say they were only told one thing, others will say that they are products of their environment. but these all just seem like excuses. fuck man, hitler did some said some really terrible things, but hitler didn't kill 6 million jews. true, hitlers words inspired the killings, but it was the individuals who pulled the triggers. don't try and blame hitler, the environment, or the circumstances. take responsibility for your actions. in my mind killing is an inexcusable action. therefore if my government asked me to kill another person, i would say 'no'. now if the government said 'kill this other person or we will kill you'. then guess what i would say. guess. i would say 'then kill me'. yes, this may sound extremely ideological, but it is what i believe. then there is the whole argument about through my inaction i am killing other people, or through my actions i am necessitating that other die. if you argue this point then we have reached a stalemate, because your argument has become so irrational that it seems rational, but completely unarguable. if you can't see the irrationality and firmly believe that it is a valid argument, then i will try and explain further, but know that i can't convince the inconvincible. something these comments have made me think about is excusable actions. it seems that many people will make excuses to dismiss their actions. frat guys will say they were really drunk, germans circa 1940′s will say they were only told one thing, others will say that they are products of their environment. but these all just seem like excuses. fuck man, hitler did some said some really terrible things, but hitler didn’t kill 6 million jews. true, hitlers words inspired the killings, but it was the individuals who pulled the triggers.

don’t try and blame hitler, the environment, or the circumstances. take responsibility for your actions. in my mind killing is an inexcusable action. therefore if my government asked me to kill another person, i would say ‘no’. now if the government said ‘kill this other person or we will kill you’. then guess what i would say. guess. i would say ‘then kill me’. yes, this may sound extremely ideological, but it is what i believe.

then there is the whole argument about through my inaction i am killing other people, or through my actions i am necessitating that other die. if you argue this point then we have reached a stalemate, because your argument has become so irrational that it seems rational, but completely unarguable. if you can’t see the irrationality and firmly believe that it is a valid argument, then i will try and explain further, but know that i can’t convince the inconvincible.

]]> By: jimshitz http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-411 jimshitz Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:35:15 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-411 As I understand...quite ironic - or hypocritical or something. I apologize I read wrong, previously. As I understand…quite ironic – or hypocritical or something.

I apologize I read wrong, previously.

]]> By: reverend gisher http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-407 reverend gisher Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:16:15 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-407 oh jim mercy me. god i love you. the point me thinks was to take a look at mankind in total, which is exactly what I preach. nice job of getting wheels spinning. "funny" part is if Hiltler's art profeesor had not been such a jealous prick and told Adolf his work sucked, he would have been painting while the rest of the world was killing each other. for the record Hitler was half jewish. oh jim mercy me. god i love you. the point me thinks was to take a look at mankind in total, which is exactly what I preach. nice job of getting wheels spinning. “funny” part is if Hiltler’s art profeesor had not been such a jealous prick and told Adolf his work sucked, he would have been painting while the rest of the world was killing each other. for the record Hitler was half jewish.

]]> By: jimshitz http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-406 jimshitz Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:35 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-406 Ah perhaps I misunderstood then...in which case...nevermind. However, it sure doesn't read that way to me. Ah perhaps I misunderstood then…in which case…nevermind.

However, it sure doesn’t read that way to me.

]]> By: Prof. Snafu Halitosis http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-405 Prof. Snafu Halitosis Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:10:26 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-405 Jimmy, I don't believe either of us ever said what he did was excusable. speculating on the cause of human behaviors doesn't mean the rules of society or morality necessarily change. Jimmy, I don’t believe either of us ever said what he did was excusable. speculating on the cause of human behaviors doesn’t mean the rules of society or morality necessarily change.

]]> By: jimshitz http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-404 jimshitz Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:20:22 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-404 I don't doubt that (your last sentance) , Prof Snafu...(see my comment); however just because someone is a product of their environment doesn't make what they do excuseable. One day another Hitler will come - and he will be much more successful in his pursuits. I hope when this happens you will not be silly enough to excuse his actions based on the fact that he is of the Mergovian bloodline and destined to be a messiah. I don’t doubt that (your last sentance) , Prof Snafu…(see my comment); however just because someone is a product of their environment doesn’t make what they do excuseable.

One day another Hitler will come – and he will be much more successful in his pursuits. I hope when this happens you will not be silly enough to excuse his actions based on the fact that he is of the Mergovian bloodline and destined to be a messiah.

]]> By: Prof. Snafu Halitosis http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-403 Prof. Snafu Halitosis Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:45:31 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-403 well i think that the point stately plump is trying to make is that first of all people are products of their environment. why did Hitler do the things he did, did he make himself into who he was or did the circumstances of his life make him who he was? (the same question can apply to you, me, anybody). and secondly, it's very hard for one person alone to turn an entire country like that, there were historical forces in play that lead to the holocaust and hitler himself was just the most visible, the most iconic, manifestation of those forces, so he tends to get blamed. but if you went back in time and killed hitler, i surmise that someone else would have stepped up and played a very similar role well i think that the point stately plump is trying to make is that first of all people are products of their environment. why did Hitler do the things he did, did he make himself into who he was or did the circumstances of his life make him who he was? (the same question can apply to you, me, anybody). and secondly, it’s very hard for one person alone to turn an entire country like that, there were historical forces in play that lead to the holocaust and hitler himself was just the most visible, the most iconic, manifestation of those forces, so he tends to get blamed. but if you went back in time and killed hitler, i surmise that someone else would have stepped up and played a very similar role

]]> By: neon fox tongue http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-402 neon fox tongue Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:40:35 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-402 and after all that shit I wrote...what jimshitz said. and after all that shit I wrote…what jimshitz said.

]]> By: jimshitz http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-401 jimshitz Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:13 +0000 http://www.grazingchaos.org/2005/12/27/fundamental-attribution-error/#comment-401 So let me get this straight...Hitler forces the people to listen to his anti-Semetic gibberish day and night, teaches them in school how inferior all the other races are, forces millions into slave labor and into death, uses human as guinea pigs, uses flawed and twisted logic at every turn to support his agenda - and it's because he's a product of his environment? Yes, the German people were ripe for a dictator in 1933 but this is because they lost WWI and were in a major depression. They could have blamed Martians for it but instead chose the Jews. Does this make it all right? So let me get this straight…Hitler forces the people to listen to his anti-Semetic gibberish day and night, teaches them in school how inferior all the other races are, forces millions into slave labor and into death, uses human as guinea pigs, uses flawed and twisted logic at every turn to support his agenda – and it’s because he’s a product of his environment?

Yes, the German people were ripe for a dictator in 1933 but this is because they lost WWI and were in a major depression. They could have blamed Martians for it but instead chose the Jews.

Does this make it all right?

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